The Atlantic Item Quote: Israeli General’s Views and more…

The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg wrote a great item today called Says One Israeli General: ‘Everybody Thinks We’re Bananas’ which I have chosen to quote partially from.   He expresses many views that I do as well, such that the flotilla from Turkey to Gaza and brutally stopped by the IDF was obviously political and symbolic and not humanitarian, that they were activists not aid-workers but that was not the point, the response was.  He touches on the subject of the current leadership as well, which is even more in line to the way I think and for that reason I chose the following quotes with full acknowledgement to The Atlantic and Goldberg of whom I will even try to send a thank you to.  Please read the entire item via the link.

There’s real pain in Israel today, pain at the humiliation of the flotilla raid, pain on behalf of the injured soldiers, and pain that the geniuses who run this country could not figure out a way to out-smart a bunch of Turkish Islamists and their useful idiot fellow travelers. And no, there is no particular pain felt for the dead on the boat; the video of those peace-seeking peace activists beating on the paintball commandos with metal bars pretty much canceled out whatever feelings of sympathy Israelis might have otherwise felt. Plus, most Israelis are aware, unlike much of the rest of the world, that these ships were not on a humanitarian mission, but a political mission, one meant to lend support to Hamas, which seeks Israel’s destruction, so you might have to excuse Israelis for not sympathizing overly much.

Of course, many Israelis feel more sympathy for these Hamasish (a new word!) activists than they do for their own leaders, who steered their small, no-margin-for-error Jewish country into a fairly obvious ambush. The anger is directed at the prime minister, of course, but especially at the defense minister, Ehud Barak, who previously was thought of as a brilliant man, and at the army chief of staff, Gabi Ashkenazi, who is — or was — also thought of as smart and clever. Ari Shavit, one of Israel’s most important and perceptive columnists, wrote today that:

During the 2006 war in Lebanon I concluded that my 15-year-old daughter could have conducted it more wisely than the Olmert-Peretz government. We’ve progressed. Today it’s clear to me that my 6-year-old son could do much better than our current government. Even a child would have seen the imbalance in the risk-threat assessment in overpowering the flotilla ships. Any smart kid would understand that you don’t sacrifice what is important for what is not. But the cabinet did not understand. Under the leadership of Netanyahu, Barak and (Minister for Strategic Affairs Moshe) Ya’alon it came to a patently unreasonable decision. It was a decision of complete fools.

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3 Responses to The Atlantic Item Quote: Israeli General’s Views and more…

  1. Debbie says:

    I can’t blame the Israeli people for being upset with their leaders, they certainly have made mistakes over the recent years.

  2. eslaporte says:

    There are reports that those that were killed died of gunshot wounds – and the American victim was reported to have been shot in the head.
    Still – you don’t bring metal pipes, sling shots and sticks to a gun fight.

    Israel is giving the middle finger to the United Nations and the international community. Depriving the people of Gaza of building materials, medicines. school supplies for children and toys is outrageous – the things that were on board of the Freedom Flotilla. When one figures the Likud Party’s view that Muslims and Arabs are “worms” and “animals” – we can see why the aggressive and violent view toward the members of the Freedom Flotilla. This ilk that governs Israel is the same hateful and violent Islamophobic ilk that Geert Wilders is cut from.

    Yes – if this was political symbolism, so what?
    This reminds me of some of the actions taken by Civil Rights activists during the 1960s struggles for equal rights for African Americans.
    We should regard those on the “Spirit of Humanity” as heroes – and we should applaud efforts, even if they look political – to smash the blockade!
    Let’s take a thousand ships to Gaza!

    • donny2811 says:

      I(esleporte – can you put this in your turkey-9/11 item, for some reason I cannot post it).

      I am always trying to look at things dispassionately, the various views, why, both-sides and equate that to the reality on the ground.

      Your commets about Israelis calling Arabs and Muslims “animals” and “uncivilized” reminded me of a flow-of-thought I am going through. One of the stark accussations against Muslims (generalized of course) is that Jews are called “pigs and monkeys” by them.

      So, going on that theme and adding reality, we know some simple things straight off. Man has been name caling since they could speak and it is now mostly a child’s game and in more clever ways part of the world of politics. The other side is more telling though. Instead of generalizing, what countries and ministers from what countries are calling each other such names – that equates to racism and bigotry? Iran’s President for certain, Knesset members of the Israeli Government and a few others. In otherwords, we have real targets that we can condemn, and we in general express an opinion about those that play this game.

      They are all, radicals in the politics and some in their religious extremism – which in turn is usually to support first and formost their politics as well.

      I know that the flotilla was foremost a political stunt more than a humanitarian aid-shipment, and for that reason I do not support it. The goal of freeing Gaza and stopping the blockade is an important one and radicalism should not be taken down with radicalism. This had nothing to do with the quality of the civil rights movement in the US, Ghandi’s stance in South Africa or India as that was not radical but the reverse.

      We know now, for instance, that seven on board the ship were from the soon-to-be-banned islamist movement in Morocco, six members Egyptians with direct links to the Muslim Brotherhood. I am sure the ideals and activism for the flotilla was honest but it was hijacked by radicals.

      Equally hijacked, is the Israeli parliament, civil service and security forces as we now well know. The people who suffer are the Gazans that have to live with radicals whom in turn are blockaded by radicals. Victims too are the well-meaning world-public wanting to do something but each time having their efforts .. hijacked.

      On the subject of Turkey, their desire to return to having rightful religous life denied to them by the Attaturk legacy is a noble one and I know that the current Government’s efforts are not suspect or dangerous, but like the flotilla, the Cordoba Initiative in New York, how and to what level are they also making not to have the rebirth of genuin Islamic faith hijacked by radicals?

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